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		<title>By: margaret keirnen</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-3787</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret keirnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot download tv where I live but loved the listen again feature for BBC radio.   I hate the new combination of radio and tv - much more complicated and harder to find programmes, no &quot;go back 15 minutes/1 minute&quot;, does not show rate of download and when I pause it and restart it it turns into a stuttering unlisteneable garble.   I have, after much searching, for the moment, found the old radio iplayer on the BBC website.  I have e-mailed the BBC asking them to leave this old format available on their website - but they are not known for taking any notice of the licence fee payers.    I live in a very remote place and have been using radio iplayer for years with no  problems and couldn&#039;t fault it.  I think this is definately a backward step perhaps the BBC have a lot of web page designers they have to keep employed - but changing things that worked well into things that don&#039;t seems stupid.   Margaret Keirnen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot download tv where I live but loved the listen again feature for BBC radio.   I hate the new combination of radio and tv &#8211; much more complicated and harder to find programmes, no &#8220;go back 15 minutes/1 minute&#8221;, does not show rate of download and when I pause it and restart it it turns into a stuttering unlisteneable garble.   I have, after much searching, for the moment, found the old radio iplayer on the BBC website.  I have e-mailed the BBC asking them to leave this old format available on their website &#8211; but they are not known for taking any notice of the licence fee payers.    I live in a very remote place and have been using radio iplayer for years with no  problems and couldn&#39;t fault it.  I think this is definately a backward step perhaps the BBC have a lot of web page designers they have to keep employed &#8211; but changing things that worked well into things that don&#39;t seems stupid.   Margaret Keirnen</p>
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		<title>By: PBK</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>PBK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the new BBC iPlayer. What were they thinking? It&#039;s teerible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the new BBC iPlayer. What were they thinking? It&#8217;s teerible.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - it&#039;s gone from a nice little page, easy to use, easy to find programs, to what ...
a bloated triumph of unwanted designer content, that you cannot easily control, no back 1 min etc..

Nice that it&#039;s not the proprietary real player anymore.

Still a step backwards on the usability front thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; it&#8217;s gone from a nice little page, easy to use, easy to find programs, to what &#8230;<br />
a bloated triumph of unwanted designer content, that you cannot easily control, no back 1 min etc..</p>
<p>Nice that it&#8217;s not the proprietary real player anymore.</p>
<p>Still a step backwards on the usability front thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Margaret,

I&#039;m not sure what problem you&#039;re having with the new radio player on iPlayer? It&#039;s a flash-based player, and you can still &quot;listen again,&quot; can&#039;t you? I actually like that it&#039;s no longer RealPlayer. And you can scrub (grab the ever-moving progress bar) to listen back and forward. You can even pop it out to have a separate player. It loads faster, plays more smoothly and, I think, is more convenient to use than the last one.

My problem is in finding the content in the first place. It&#039;s unfamiliar, and—I feel—cluttered. 

The comments on this piece have shown that there are those in favour, too. I&#039;d say it&#039;s a mixed bag, but that ultimately they got it wrong in execution. Oneronaut seems to like it, whereas Rob doesn&#039;t. I don&#039;t, but I&#039;m unwilling to say that everything about it is bad. 

What happens when it &quot;stops and starts&quot;? I haven&#039;t had that problem yet, but I&#039;ve finally got my broadband sorted with my ISP (another rant, another time, I feel), so that&#039;s fixed most of my online woes... now if they just stopped charging for additional broadband use... bah!

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Margaret,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what problem you&#8217;re having with the new radio player on iPlayer? It&#8217;s a flash-based player, and you can still &#8220;listen again,&#8221; can&#8217;t you? I actually like that it&#8217;s no longer RealPlayer. And you can scrub (grab the ever-moving progress bar) to listen back and forward. You can even pop it out to have a separate player. It loads faster, plays more smoothly and, I think, is more convenient to use than the last one.</p>
<p>My problem is in finding the content in the first place. It&#8217;s unfamiliar, and—I feel—cluttered. </p>
<p>The comments on this piece have shown that there are those in favour, too. I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s a mixed bag, but that ultimately they got it wrong in execution. Oneronaut seems to like it, whereas Rob doesn&#8217;t. I don&#8217;t, but I&#8217;m unwilling to say that everything about it is bad. </p>
<p>What happens when it &#8220;stops and starts&#8221;? I haven&#8217;t had that problem yet, but I&#8217;ve finally got my broadband sorted with my ISP (another rant, another time, I feel), so that&#8217;s fixed most of my online woes&#8230; now if they just stopped charging for additional broadband use&#8230; bah!</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: margaret keirnen</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret keirnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old style radio iplayer disappeared from the BBC site today.   Whatever you click now you are sent to the new radio iplayer console.   After years of happy &quot;listen again&quot; the stopping and starting of the playback on this new player make &quot;listening again&quot; to any radio programme impossible.   All my software is up to date and I feel desperately depressed  that radio &quot;listen again&quot; is finished for me. Why they couldn&#039;t leave the old iplayer available on the site I don&#039;t know - but, of course that would be admitting that the new player was not working for some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old style radio iplayer disappeared from the BBC site today.   Whatever you click now you are sent to the new radio iplayer console.   After years of happy &#8220;listen again&#8221; the stopping and starting of the playback on this new player make &#8220;listening again&#8221; to any radio programme impossible.   All my software is up to date and I feel desperately depressed  that radio &#8220;listen again&#8221; is finished for me. Why they couldn&#8217;t leave the old iplayer available on the site I don&#8217;t know &#8211; but, of course that would be admitting that the new player was not working for some people.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oneronaut, you&#039;re right about my site. Also, I hadn&#039;t noticed you can&#039;t actually read the comments very well can you?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but, in my case, there&#039;s only so much I can do about it. I don&#039;t speak CSS very well, and I have only recently begun to play with all the settings. (Which is why it keeps changing all the time!) I don&#039;t actually like the over-all look of my blog very much, and I&#039;d love to have it properly designed. I haven&#039;t, however, got the BBC&#039;s design team (or their budget) to play with it. 

If you have some suggestions, however, I&#039;d be more than happy to have a look. If you&#039;re a designer, and feel like improving the web, starting with my ugly site, I&#039;d also be happy to hear from you! (if you can read this comment against the grey background!)

About the iPlayer, though: it&#039;s still difficult to navigate. I&#039;ll concede that the radio is better in Flash than RealPlayer (ugh!), but it&#039;s still all over the place. I&#039;ve heard quite a few complaints about it from &quot;Listen Again&quot; folks too. I can understand where they made their decisions to move away from the iPlayer as BBC TV Online, and towards presenting all the BBC&#039;s content, but it takes all of bbc.co.uk to get that job done, so putting it all in a single player&#039;s a bit mad.

I think it&#039;d work much better if you could stream off much earlier: TV, Radio, News... three tabs, maybe?. Cut back on the amount of visual clutter on the landing page, and What&#039;s wrong with a sidebar? It&#039;s a familiar navigation tool, and people who are less adaptable might find that easier to use. The one thing which is more maddening, however, and which I hadn&#039;t articulated, is the removal of the date-view. Now, it seems, you can only see what was on last Wednesday by channel. So, If I wanted to see what I could have watched on Friday, if only I had a TV, I have to look through each channel.

I do, however, have to admit, that the look of it is growing on me. So, maybe their design team&#039;s better than I thought. Maybe they poached someone from Windows Live Writer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oneronaut, you&#8217;re right about my site. Also, I hadn&#8217;t noticed you can&#8217;t actually read the comments very well can you?</p>
<p>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but, in my case, there&#8217;s only so much I can do about it. I don&#8217;t speak CSS very well, and I have only recently begun to play with all the settings. (Which is why it keeps changing all the time!) I don&#8217;t actually like the over-all look of my blog very much, and I&#8217;d love to have it properly designed. I haven&#8217;t, however, got the BBC&#8217;s design team (or their budget) to play with it. </p>
<p>If you have some suggestions, however, I&#8217;d be more than happy to have a look. If you&#8217;re a designer, and feel like improving the web, starting with my ugly site, I&#8217;d also be happy to hear from you! (if you can read this comment against the grey background!)</p>
<p>About the iPlayer, though: it&#8217;s still difficult to navigate. I&#8217;ll concede that the radio is better in Flash than RealPlayer (ugh!), but it&#8217;s still all over the place. I&#8217;ve heard quite a few complaints about it from &#8220;Listen Again&#8221; folks too. I can understand where they made their decisions to move away from the iPlayer as BBC TV Online, and towards presenting all the BBC&#8217;s content, but it takes all of bbc.co.uk to get that job done, so putting it all in a single player&#8217;s a bit mad.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;d work much better if you could stream off much earlier: TV, Radio, News&#8230; three tabs, maybe?. Cut back on the amount of visual clutter on the landing page, and What&#8217;s wrong with a sidebar? It&#8217;s a familiar navigation tool, and people who are less adaptable might find that easier to use. The one thing which is more maddening, however, and which I hadn&#8217;t articulated, is the removal of the date-view. Now, it seems, you can only see what was on last Wednesday by channel. So, If I wanted to see what I could have watched on Friday, if only I had a TV, I have to look through each channel.</p>
<p>I do, however, have to admit, that the look of it is growing on me. So, maybe their design team&#8217;s better than I thought. Maybe they poached someone from Windows Live Writer?</p>
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		<title>By: Oneronaut</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Oneronaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the new iplayer design is pretty nice and clean. The original design didn&#039;t really give the same depth of content. I fear by the design of your own website, Zach, that beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the new iplayer design is pretty nice and clean. The original design didn&#8217;t really give the same depth of content. I fear by the design of your own website, Zach, that beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree - I&#039;m guessing the new look probably passed through a committee in which the last two members may have never actually used a computer. I&#039;m very pleased about the availability of radio content though, it&#039;s pretty frustrating trying to download &#039;I&#039;m Sorry I Haven&#039;t a Clue&#039; and being told you have to download RealPlayer.

K-Lite Codec anyone? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree &#8211; I&#8217;m guessing the new look probably passed through a committee in which the last two members may have never actually used a computer. I&#8217;m very pleased about the availability of radio content though, it&#8217;s pretty frustrating trying to download &#8216;I&#8217;m Sorry I Haven&#8217;t a Clue&#8217; and being told you have to download RealPlayer.</p>
<p>K-Lite Codec anyone? <img src='http://www.zachbeauvais.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: margaret keirnen</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret keirnen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot download tv where I live but loved the listen again feature for BBC radio.   I hate the new combination of radio and tv - much more complicated and harder to find programmes, no &quot;go back 15 minutes/1 minute&quot;, does not show rate of download and when I pause it and restart it it turns into a stuttering unlisteneable garble.   I have, after much searching, for the moment, found the old radio iplayer on the BBC website.  I have e-mailed the BBC asking them to leave this old format available on their website - but they are not known for taking any notice of the licence fee payers.    I live in a very remote place and have been using radio iplayer for years with no  problems and couldn&#039;t fault it.  I think this is definately a backward step perhaps the BBC have a lot of web page designers they have to keep employed - but changing things that worked well into things that don&#039;t seems stupid.   Margaret Keirnen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot download tv where I live but loved the listen again feature for BBC radio.   I hate the new combination of radio and tv &#8211; much more complicated and harder to find programmes, no &#8220;go back 15 minutes/1 minute&#8221;, does not show rate of download and when I pause it and restart it it turns into a stuttering unlisteneable garble.   I have, after much searching, for the moment, found the old radio iplayer on the BBC website.  I have e-mailed the BBC asking them to leave this old format available on their website &#8211; but they are not known for taking any notice of the licence fee payers.    I live in a very remote place and have been using radio iplayer for years with no  problems and couldn&#8217;t fault it.  I think this is definately a backward step perhaps the BBC have a lot of web page designers they have to keep employed &#8211; but changing things that worked well into things that don&#8217;t seems stupid.   Margaret Keirnen</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://www.zachbeauvais.com/archives/new-bbc-iplayer-layout-what-were-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree, I&#039;m afraid. Although that post was written in frustration: (new rule: never post in anger?) I still think it&#039;s a step backwards. The radio was always available via pop-out, and this made finding content far easier—quick, simple filtering. The new design throws everything it&#039;s got at you. 

The sliding menu looks slick on its own, but in context, it&#039;s busy and confusing. The sidebar was a work of genius: it made it very easy to navigate. 

I have to agree with you that the radio is an important feature, and I think it&#039;s time the BBC radio content was presented better than it has for years. However, mixed amongst the television content on a cluttered display doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree, I&#8217;m afraid. Although that post was written in frustration: (new rule: never post in anger?) I still think it&#8217;s a step backwards. The radio was always available via pop-out, and this made finding content far easier—quick, simple filtering. The new design throws everything it&#8217;s got at you. </p>
<p>The sliding menu looks slick on its own, but in context, it&#8217;s busy and confusing. The sidebar was a work of genius: it made it very easy to navigate. </p>
<p>I have to agree with you that the radio is an important feature, and I think it&#8217;s time the BBC radio content was presented better than it has for years. However, mixed amongst the television content on a cluttered display doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: hexenduction</title>
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		<dc:creator>hexenduction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is no additional feature set. It doesn’t DO anything different.&quot;

I think it does- all the radio content is now integrated into the site, both ondemand and live. I think this is a fairly major feature in itself..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no additional feature set. It doesn’t DO anything different.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it does- all the radio content is now integrated into the site, both ondemand and live. I think this is a fairly major feature in itself..</p>
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